'Burg Hipster Elitists Don't Want to Share McCarren Pool

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It should be more diverse, sure, but what exactly is the point of catering to Long Island kids, other than profits for LiveNation?

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Sonic Youth must be rolling in their graves.

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The WBurg hipster crowd tries so damn hard with their skinny jeans, the whole *too good and cultured to shop in Manhattan with the masses* to good to listen to the music that the masses listen to*

It's becoming increasingly apparent that the Wburg hipster crowd can be just as bad, if not worse than the snobs that populate the Upper East Side. Too bad the WBurg hipsters haven't accomplished a damn thing worthy of being a snob.

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As much as I hate hipsters, hippes are far worse.

Tickets go onsale at 4:20pm on 4/20? No wonder people make fun of hippies. Take away the drugs and all you have left is bad music.

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"we must make this programming more diverse by catering to both urban AND suburban white kids"

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Hey Lock - think they'll play Bernstein & Chasnoff?

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It's too bad all the great bands will be up at Reverend Ike's this summer.

Sucks to live in Billyburg.

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More proof of the hypocrisy of hipsters. Imagine, railing on "long island" people when you're from Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Gimme a fuckin break.

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Whatever, hippies suck. That's what they made California for.
I pray to god the NYPD does random searches on these jobless leeches and puts them all away on possession.

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to me, hipsters are hippies with (crappy) jobs.

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those might be the lamest 9 comments i've ever seen.

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to me, hippies are hipsters with a soul

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They actually are the lamest comments I've ever seen.

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I love the venue and last year's concerts were great. While I love the jam band scene (and yes, without the drugs or alcohol, some of the music is bad), at least there are bands willing to play here and bands big enough to get a crowd. Some of the hipster bands just don't have a big enough following and/or suck. If these dumbass hipsters want more diversity, get more bands that people will want to see to sign up. Most likely, the hipster bands though will think they're too cool for the venue though. Dumbass pompous hipsters! Go Back to Hipsteria!

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what a fascinating discussion!

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Turn it down a notch Adam, your love of mega-bands & all things Live Nation makes you sounds like a shill. It's cool if you're only into bands who bring in a "crowd", but I'd recommend going to more concerts at MSG if that's the case.

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Either use it as a pool, or fill it in with cement. I personally can't understand why anyone would want to stand in the sweltering heat, and listen to crappy music to begin with. Only in NY.

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Right on # 17 !!!! Its totally absurd that they have concerts 50 feet from where people LIVE. Its a PARK people - not a concert venue. Knock it down and build a garden!!

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Man this thing looks like something out of communist China. Where's the 10 story photo of dung chow ping? Did it fall off accidentally during the recent rain? I'd avoid this place like the plague for fear that a couple of large tanks might come rolling in.

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i don't think there's anything wrong with diversifing hte shows, just throw them into a large venue for hippies, soul kids, creeper wearing sock hop kids, tight jeaned crying kids and stroller pushing people; all listen together. isn't that what summer is about? gentrify the burg, bring a rap band in for all i care... but last year they did have jazz, soul and some other bands for the free sundays, so i'm not sure what your talking about.

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If they're looking for diversity, how about some hip hop or something? Hippie music AND hipster music is equally annoying.

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you people are a bunch of ibanker dipshit assholes. #17 and #18 you are joking right? Because if you aren't you should die.

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No, we're not joking, and I'm not an "Ibanker". Just because your 3 million brain cells short, doesn't mean the rest of us are- and stop using violent threats please, I think we've all had our fill this week after VA Tech. This isn't the first time you've gone Psychotic on here- you're other postings have been equally disturbing.

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Diversification of the music is definitely a good thing...and I live about four blocks away so I'm hoping to take a bit of it in. And regarding the lack of muscular definition on those hipsters, long live the toothpicks!!!

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Yes dreadnatty, who ever heard of having concerts in a park?!?

Oh wait. . .

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IT'S NOT A PARK - IT'S A POOL FOOL

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Fuck you #23, like Blacksburg, Va. stops the world asswipe. How many times A DAY does that many & many more Iraqis get blown to bits? Perspective, douchebag.

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Re: Sonic Youth, FUCKING NORTHAMPTON, MASSACHUSETTS gentry (Kim & Thurston at least), are you for real? Like they are any "better" or "hipper" than a jam band?

The REAL diversity will come when they start up the SALSA shows (you stupid WHITE assholes)--

I, for one, can't wait.

VVVT

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I think it is good that the concert series has gotten more diverse. This year Caucasians of every taste will feel welcome.

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Central Park has concerts- this is not a Park, it's a public pool..or at least it was. It's also extremely noisy to the surrounding population i.e it's much too close to a residential area. But then, this is NY, and nobody really gives a damn about anyone else so....

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And you're one Asswipe too many - my brother was killed in Iraq on March, 23rd. I think I have a perspective about it. You need some serious help.

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Va-Va-Vagina Tech: Re: Sonic Youth. Yes, but not originally. Shut up.

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LOL, salsa shows? I'm sure the Polish & Italian old-timers in the area would LOVE that. All the non-whites coming into the area was one of the reasons they clamored to close the pool in the first place. (of course, they described it as the pool attracting "crime" into the area)

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#26 -- It certainly IS a Park. Its McCarren PARK. McCarren POOL is INSIDE MCCarren Park, you numbuts retard.

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That's because the majority of street crimes are committed by non-whites.

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Judging by what comes bumpin out of cars in Greenpoint, a polish hip hop show would go over huge. That could be fun for hipsters too. A WIN-WIN

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also, if they put together a bill of the most gay-ass techno possible, that would be huge with the young polish community

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arf

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Yes, where do they have concerts of 2000+ in a public park? And dont give me Central Park (where the venue is NOWHERE near where people actually LIVE). People actually LIVE here - and while we dont mind a concert now and then, 3 concerts + 1 Outdoor movie a week at some points was a BIT MUCH.

And I heart - your a moron!

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let the hipsta's listen to their crappy music and
be happy who cares. i would not be caught dead at any hipster social event.
there own private idaho right here in brooklyn
how sweet

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Billybug hipsters have ruined everything yet again! Will the real hipster here please stand up! (I think I heart is a yuppie in disguise)

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You forget dreadnatty- these people don't give a f***g rat's ass about who lives where. I call it the "I'm the only one who exists" syndrome. Meanwhile, if they actually lived there, they would be the first to complain. Yep, Central Park is an appropriate space for concerts- and it's free of hipsters.

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Uh, Bryant Park, Battery Park, Prospect Park - pretty much every park has concerts, many with ampitheatres right by residences - maybe you are the one with the "I'm the only one who exists" syndrome. The same people who shut the pool down in the first place to keep the black kids out.

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3 or 4 venues a week - including all day Sunday???? I think NOT.Some shows not ending until 10:30pm. Mant people have children.Im sure you'd love those noise levels 100 ft from YOUR house. Open up the pool - do whatever you like with it- have plays,open it up to artists, etc. - but brutally loud venues multiple times a week is ridiculous.

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BACHATA Y REGGAETON ** motherfuckers **. Salsa is OK too & douchebags, they are STILL more Dominicans & 'Ricans in WB than

"Sonic Youth" fans.

(Amazing how white people see so many... WHITE PEOPLE when it benefits them.)

really? they came from New York dude? (Or, well, Kim from LA, Thurston from Connectucut & Steve from Michigan... There were 2-3-4 maybe 5 drummers before that but...)

Bonus Round: Where did Glenn Branca come from?

To the dude who's brother was killed in Iraq--

Sorry, & HOW MANY IRAQIS also died that day?

Thanks,

WRC

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Actually, looking at the area surrounding McCarren Park (or just north-of-Grand in general) the white population edges out the hispanic population by a couple of thousand. You don't have to take my word for it, just check out http://gis.nyc.gov/dcp/pa/address.jsp & see for yourself.

Of course, most PR's nowadays can't speak spanish & identify themselves as white, which could throw off the census..but that's another topic for another day.

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hippies was a term coined by the stiff adult population to described the anti-establishment music loving youth of a former generation who listened to the bands that played with and influenced many hipster icons (at least in terms of fashion) such as the velvet underground. the only difference between the hipsters and the hippies besides dress at this point is that youth in general is to busy disliking each other based on their outfits to actually do anything worthwhile. the young people that do spend their thoughts and time wisely generally don't befriend you on your sally hershberger shag or your widespread panic t-shirt. you are all assholes and i thing kim and thurston would probably agree.

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Sarah, don't forget the patchouli oil amongst the differences.

WRC: um, Reggaton sucks. And I am rican, before you pull out the "you're a racist" card. Also, you should read the thread before commenting. The "dude" mentioned his brother because a previous poster was questioning his bona fides in perspective, given that he cited to the VTech tragedy and not the Iraq War as a reason for asking the previous poster to turn the violent language down a notch. Your point is inapplicable.

Welcome,
Lurkster

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sarah FTW!

49.

Somebuddy needs to turn that not-water into not-wine.

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Hey WHITE ASSWIPES-- why don't you tell us whaet fucking POOL there is in the rest of Williamsburg or Greenpoint? Question: how far did you come to MOVE TO Williamsburg compared to them who've lived there longer than you been alive?

QUESTION: If this was a pool for WHITE PEOPLE, do you think it would still be closed after all this time?

Wake the fuck up you shitheel retard & may Arcade Fire, The Decemberists & Sonic Youth (Joanna Newsom & Bill Callahan too!) all go down in the same plane crash Buddy Holly/Patsy Cline together.

Mami: most reggaeton is crap, some is not, list most everything else. Open your ears & your legs next time-- might help.

MK

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yeah Polish disco is crap compared to the Great Art beloved of all the Corporate Ipod kids. hey!! maybe Coco Rosie will play-- that's hip-hop AND indie.

(TV On The Radio make me feel so righteous & mad...)

love me i'm a liberal!*

DB-S

* Phil Ochs was from New York too, sorta; more Sorta the Sonic Grammy & Grampa and what ** IS ** that thing on the side of Thurston's neck?

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I can't wait for this show. I am looking forward to drowning all you hipsters in the UNTZ.

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you stupid hipster.. territorial????
go back to werever the fuck u came from cus im damn sure its not from brooklyn . you dont even know ... im not speakin for any long island kids but for the the straight fans allover ...cus i wouldnt be caught in your gay litle "utopian society" or watvr u call it .. so yea go home and let us enjoy the show and i hope u get hit by a car doin some lame messnger job.ps im not a hippie

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I love sweaty man hog and i love the disco biscuits. Put a grrr up my butt and send me to the show.

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PREPEARE FOR THE UNTZZZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22mD_pUjYrk

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wait till brownstein goes out in the fields on the combine of groove and harvests all the amber waves of unzz. you better be ready with your back up pair of groove flaps for for the total shredding to your deemster hole. the unzzman cometh.

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THE BARBER WILL SHRED YOUR HIPSTER SKULLS AND CRACK YOUR BLACK RIMMED GLASSES WHILE ALLEN BANGS THE UNTZ UZI TO THE SOUND OF BAGELSTEIN DROPPING BOMBS ON THE SEED OF POLISH HEEBS. ALL THE WHILE MAGNER WILL FUCK LATIN HO'S TO AN HOUR AND A HALF OF SALSA INFLUENCED RUSH COVERS FROM UM. YOU HIPSTERS WILL CRY LIKE EVERY OTHER NIGHT.

UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ !!!

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WAIT TILL MY MAIN H3TTY GROOVESTER BROWNSTIEN TEARS INTO THE HIPSTER NATION WITH THE POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY UNNZZ, LIKE A FULL THROTTLE D-DAY STYLE INVASION OF THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY, A SWIRLING CLASS FIVE HURRICANE OF DEMMZ, GROOVE AND UNNZZ. WITH THE STRENGTH OF THE ALMIGHTY GODESS OF TRANCE MAY HE LAY THE UNZZ UPON THEE.

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I saw Archie Bell play there last summer and he was fuckin great. hardly anyone was there. handful of hipsters, handful of hippies, handful of old school soul folks. a fine time.
Who gives a fuck, just go to the shows you like and quit making a story about how the 'others' are stealing your territory.

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I'm sorry to break it to you all... but McCarren pool is actually in Greenpoint - not Williamsburg as you state in your article here.

shablam!

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I'm the "dude" who lost his brother in Iraq. I never intended to make an analogy between Iraq and the event at VA Tech- it was polite, simple request to tone down the language to one poster. Nor did I intend to minimize either of them - it's not my perspective that needs adjusting.

Lurkster, I'd like to understand what you wrote, but it's a bit convoluted. What I do understand, it that VaVagina,Mongdongo Killa, and White Reisling Chatham are probably the same person.

I'd also like to thank all you curbed posters for the generous outpouring of Sympathy you conveyed about my brother - NONE.

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I say screw you all and let our gang of 'capture the flag' participants use it for our purposes, like we used to before 'luxury' became an eyesore for the park.

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I will be devastated if the new residents of those shithole condos try to put a stop to the concerts in the pool. They will. Oh, those fucking stiffs will. First they want to change the music, then the whole fucking neigbourhood. My advice, dont buy a condo near the park unless you are going to enjoy the loud music every weekend. I swear, if any of you cunts kick up a fuss, eggs are coming your way.

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Man, you people are crazy. Anyway, Greenpoint and Northside Williamsburg has always been like .... 98% white, and probably for very interesting, maybe violent reasons.

Not sure why people complain about white people invading Brooklyn when it's always been majority white ... NJ has more mixed cities than that.

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"Majority white"? Dude, check the stats & cue up "White Minority." PLAY LOUD.

Just because you don't know it doesn't mean it ain't true. (BK has been BLACK POPULATION CENTER OF NYC since late 40s btw, tho' white minority as % of total didn't occur until later.)

To suggest schism between Latino (& Hasid) southside & the Pole/Ital northside is correct but there's ALWAYS been PR enclaves in Greenpoint. Look closely even now at Manhattan Ave businesses, tho' there you're seeing Mexican surge as elsewhere in the city.

In let's-call-it central WB, say from Union Ave to B'wick Ave, from Grand to Broadway... it's STILL PR & DR holdout. Then there's the projects in East WB on Kingsland, etc etc.

WHITE PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!

Ya'll ain't special & most of your "indie" music sucks.

** William Bell ** is beautiful & jam bands are ok also, big deal.

The Cenus Taker

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I can't stand neo hippies. Hipsters are the sad plague of the burg. Yupsters are something to laugh at. So in short, everyone sucks. But as long as they keep free events at the pool, who cares?

Also, i heard that if you play reggaeton to chimpanzees they just love it... they'll go crazy dancing. Need i say more?

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What the hell is wrong with you people? Have you ever thought of expanding your own musical tastes, listening to something a little deeper than verse-chorus-verse? There is much more to "hippy jamband music" than, well, hippies and jams. Just as there is more to "hipster" music than some of the cross-armed head-nodding tight-pant-wearing williamsburgites that listen to it.
And not all Disco Biscuits fans are from Long Island.
Pull your heads out of your uptight asses and take note that pigeonholing music fans just perpetuates the closed-minded rudeness that gives a bad name to the rest of the people who live in Brooklyn.

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ALSO you fuckwad retards, Brooklyn has a ** RICH ** musical history long before there was anything but local "ethnic" stuff in Williamsburg (inc. those awesome Italian marching bands that sometimes still parade around summer mornings.)

Liz, do you know about some of the famous early '70s Dead shows in Brooklyn? Hard to believe now but then Relix was founded in Brooklyn too-- Brooklyn white people used to be WEIRD, to say the least. (Some still are.)

Anyone, please inform poor ignorant me about Zappa's Rock Palace, where it was, & who played there when. Thanks.

How about the short-lived Park Slope joint the Minutemen played at? (Yes, THOSE Minutemen.)

I assume at least of you did go to L'Amour when it was still open; worth it for weirdness value even if the music wasn't killer.

Best,

TLIA

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I wanna suck on liz's titties after that! I love you liz, let me bone you.

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As much as I hate Mods, Teds are much worse. So, who's gonna make the new Quadrophenia?

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It's a public park for all to share, grow up. All you people sad. With all that is going on in the world this is what gets you fired up? Truely pathethic.

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63: Hello, Williamsburg Hipsters! Allow me to introduce myself. I am one of those new residents on the edge of McCarren Park, and as much as I love the idea of an open air venue for free music, the whole McCarren pool thing is the most ghetto-retarded thing on the planet that only a dumb-ass Hipster could appreciate.

I can assure you with ultimate certainty that as we continue to invade "your" neighborhood, we will begin to shape it into something WE want, in accordance with our property tax contribution. And you will all just suck it up and deal with it. Because you have *NO* other choice.

Now, don't fret. Curbed will always be here for you to log your bitchy rants. And Bushwick will always have vacancies for you to fill when you simply can't stand us anymore. (Or when you can't afford your rent on your paltry little Hipster wages... that is, assuming any of you actually have a real job that pays anything other than a few bucks cash for the few menial tasks you can actually accomplish.)

Yeah, that's right. You heard it here first.

Silly Hipster, Williamsburg is for iBankers!

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#72- I can't imagine you people who live around the park actually standing outside on your stupid balconies. I would feel like the biggest douche bag in the universe standing out there for everyone to see. "Hey, look at me, I'm a rich asshole." You'll be a laughing stock.

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73: If thinking that really makes you feel better about us moving in, then you just go enjoy thinking that. We really couldn't care less what you think. That's the part you just don't seem to understand.

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McCarren Park is in Greenpoint (In fact, the parks original name was Greenpoint Park), even though it is certainly a major recreational asset to both Greenpoint and Willimsburg. Curbed seems a little light on facts sometimes. Stop pushing that Billyburg bulls**t.

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74- fuck it anyway. I've already started gentrifying another neigborhood. This time I'm going to BUY a cheap pad though (I learned my lesson from Williamsburg). Though maybe I'll be around to laugh at you at one of those pool concerts!

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AnnexingMcCarrenParkSoon - couldnt have said it better. Im right here with ya !

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I'm living there too. The best part about having so much money for me is to know how much it would have helped others. Gives it more value almost.
The funniest part is it was never about hipster/non-hipster. Its about rich vs middle class and poor. News flash: you will always lose! But you guys give us a good laugh in the meantime. hahahaha

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#61-- I'm very sorry about your brother.

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The concerts in the pool are great. Period. The shows I saw last summer were in the early evening. The sun was setting and there was a nice breeze. Kids and twenty somethings were using a slip and slide. People were dancing. Lounging. The music wasn't too loud. Great. Most likely the majority of people posting on this thread never made it over to the "pool parties". And that's fine. If you don't think it sounds like your thing then don't go. But please stop complaining.

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people who post here (including myself) are the biggest losers in the world. Yep, insecure, bitter losers...

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I hate those concerts. Nothing I hate more then nasty loud noise coming at you when you're trying to relax in the part during the summer. Its that coney island/ jersey coasts atmosphere. Yuck.

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Hah hah to the condo assholes whipping it out-- douchebag, WB & GP were OK-to-cool when they were relatively inexpensive... you can have a good time NOW & worry about all that BQE toxic spew LATER.

Like it or not ASSWIPE-- & I'm sure you're fucking "broker" didn't tell you this-- you're in the same dirty, unhealthful boat as everyone else.

(Same goes for any idiotic lurking "moms" who didn't know better.)

AND-- guess what-- the dirty ethnics STILL breed faster than all of you & aren't as "picky."

xxoo,

RASB

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Hey everyone, check out #83 who doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your." Or "to" and "too."

Were you still drunk this morning when you wrote this, or are you just fucking retarded? Either way, you are VERY funny. Jackass.

LOL.

(And yet, he can spell "douchebag" and "asswipe" like it's tattooed on his face.)

85.

it seems like this whole hate-filled thread originates from the comments of a few residents of williamsburg that everyone assumes represent the whole population of the area. these comments don't come from spokesmen of the area. plus, the implication from most of the comments is that the world would be a better place without "hipsters."

"hipsters" have created the quality of life in willliamsburg/greenpoint that has made it desireable...ie without them there would be no condos around macarren park or the waterfront....i don't recall the area being desirable to anyone beside them, poles, puerto ricans and hasides when it was just a crime-ridden puerto rican, polish, and hassidic neighborhood.

further, the endless stream of comments around this topic shows that there's a lot of ignorance towards a great number of people that live in the area. where is the epicenter of artistic creativity in new york? it's there and in bushwick. a large amount of the music, film, art, and web media that keeps new york relevant culturally to the rest of the country and the world and improves everyone's quality of life originates there. so before judging people whom you do not know or understand see how much of your quality of life they have created.

you may not go to the museums and galleries of new york but you're probably glad they exist because new york is not new york without them. the coffee shops, restaurants, bars, shops and infrastructure that support them are all spawned from the "bohemian" lifestyle that "hipsters" provide in this area both directly or indirectly (some people inevitably invested in businesses in the area because the neighborhood was desirable).

maybe you don't go to the music clubs but they've historically been a large part of forming new york's image and continue to do so. you may not be gay or african, or arty or whatever but we're happy those demographics exist because otherwise we'd be anything but the "capital of the world."

all who moved to new york or continue to live here voluntarily do so because we like the balance of economic and cultural influences and opportunities that provide us with a quality of life that available in few other places in the world. so before complaining about all the people who scratch your back ask yourself who is really close-minded.

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"Hipsters... have created the quality of life in willliamsburg/greenpoint that has made it desireable."

I'll commend you for trying to piece together a coherent rant. But this line is laughable. Williamsburg is desirable because of its proximity to Manhattan and better bang for your buck in terms of housing. Most people I know who have recently moved here can't wait for inevitable completion of the Hipster exodus.

And so it goes.

87.

you silly cunts. Why did you buy there if you knew about the pool. Buyers remorse aleready? Feel like an ass dont you. May your condos with huge windows get egged during the concerts. May your childern scream with discontent when they are unable to sleep because of the youth outside your windows enjoying a concert in the typical rowdy hipster willyburg way. May you get no responses to your complaints about the concerts from your hasidic management. I say long live the hipster of willyburg. You made it what it is. You made it covetable and cool. And the poles, italians, hispanics and blacks, give yourselves a pat on the back too. You made it. These wankers in the new condos wont last a year before they're scared to leave their condos for fear of coming face to face with someone with actual innate talent for music, art or writing. Either that, or your banker wives will be fucking that hipster boy that she met at the pool concert whilst you were working late.

Go to hell new residents. But, for sure, pass through here first so we can make your lives a living hell-just like how it was for you at school you twats.

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87: Lady Madonna, it's just that kind of response that makes baiting people like you so much fun.

89.

Now I know what link to send people when I want to explain why I left New York. Thanks, everyone, for acting like complete assholes in a public forum!!!