What to Expect When Moving in to the Arris Lofts

1.

Just an FYI -- I would check your contract. For most new dev, closing is NOT dependant on walkthrough approval and punchlist generation.

Recently closed on new dev and they actually said outright that none of those issues would be discussed at closing.

Rate lock is worth more than minor fixes -- I would not delay unless you are sure you legally can . . .

2.

this is priceless

a fool and his money are soon parted

i predict alot of unhappy "investors"

arris lofts what a joke

3.

At least you guys got ads with elephants and giraffes in them.

4.

talk to your mortgage broker - the small price of a rate lock extension might be worth the comfort of knowing the punchlist items are being addressed

5.

I was actually in the building the other day, it looked fine to me, The Lobby is rediculously amazing, and they just added these great wood panels...

6.

Look at the bright side. You are surrounded by a great neighborhood. Enjoy your brunch at Scandals and Cityscapes!

7.

Scandals and Cityscapes are no where near Arris.

8.

Two cousins both buying expensive apartments in Aris lofts. Family money?

9.

That is why they have the walk through.

Jake

10.

If the common areas are not done are you guys expected to pay full cc's during this time? Not to mention the fact that the elevators are not working--how in the hell are you expected to live in the building and move your furniture in??
This seems just about par considering the fact that most of you guys were mislead from the beginning and told the building would be done by December. Hopefully when it is all said and done things will work out, but I also remember reading on Queens West about some retard that has been living in hotels for the last 4 – 5 months while waiting on his closing date. DO yourself a favor jerk off give the motel bills to Costas Kondylis and The Sunshine Group and thank them for running you in circles for the last 5 months.
I’m sure it will get even juicier in the future as we see what real problems come to the surface.

11.

not much else is either kyle except dominos pizza and the citicorp building or the entrance to the 59th st upper level or the train yard out back
did i miss anything ??

12.

Scandals and Cityscapes are close enough to walk there in 5 mins.

13.

As a resident of a New Development Condo I am looking for a lawyer to represent the Unit Owners in a potential lawsuit against the Sponsor/Seller. Can anyone recommend a lawyer? Please write to: jalmarjalla@gmail.com.

Thank you in advance.

14.

No. 11 - you forgot all things taxi: taxi garage, taxi gas station, taxi academy, taxi driver's takeout ... the irony of it all it that the only time you can catch a cab right there is at 5:45 a.m. when they are starting their shift, and even then they are very wary about picking up anyone in Queens.

15.

have you ever seen the size of the rats on jackson ave ?
lic a great place to get a blowjob from a toothless crackwhore or smoke some good crack

16.

No. 11 - you forgot all things taxi: taxi garage, taxi gas station, taxi academy, taxi driver's takeout ... the irony of it all it that the only time you can catch a cab right there is at 5:45 a.m. when they are starting their shift, and even then they are very wary about picking up anyone in Queens.

17.

.doors scratched and not hinging properly, washer/drier dented, tiles in bathroom uneven, the celing FULL of rust & grime and needing a lot of work overall--- I guess this is part of the industrial feel and old world charm of the building.

18.

not for nothing but does Costas Kondylis have any experience in loft buildings?? just curious..to my knowledge they've been know for mostly high residential projects.

19.

you guys got tripple fucked-
first on the completion dates
second on the taxes and third on the actual condition of the construction. i guess if you haven't learned anything by now you will continue to get ass raped for the remainder of your time there. i guess it's all good as long as you and your elephants can swim in your 4ft lap pool while listening to the sweet sound of the LIRR.

20.

It is standard for new construction condos only to be primed, not painted, but this should be clearly stated in the specs that should be attached to your contract. Regarding punchlist items, I am 100% sure that your contract does not permit you to delay closing for non-completion of punchlist items and I am sure it has a daily penalty stated for delaying closing. You should be very careful and READ YOUR CONTRACT. If you refuse to close, the contract may even permit the developer to cancel the contract. While all this is totally frustrating, this is standard with new construction, and exactly why I will never buy off plans. You never know the quality you will get and the contract you signed is not going to be in your favor. If I were you (and wanted to stay in the contract), I would pick my battles and recognize you don't have much leverage.

21.

It is ESSENTIAL to contact your lawyer and read your contract closely before making any decisions about closing. Even if there are provisions that state punchlists, etc. can't be used as an excuse to close, if you can argue that things in the apartment are materially different than the specifications in the contract you may still have a cause of action.

And even if the contract has huge allowances written into it (e.g., my contract said floors sloping by an amount in excess of 1 foot was acceptable!) if conditions in the apartment are hazardous or against applicable building/safety codes you will again still have a cause of action.

Overall, I would not be intimidated. Like the entire process, closing is a negotiation, and given the changes in the market I'm sure the developer does NOT want to put units back on the market. If you do not trust them to make repairs, maybe it is possible to make an adjustment in the price. That being said, cosmetic defects (for example, primer not paint) are unlikely to be remedied and are certainly not worth starting a lawsuit/losing a deposit over.

22.

I don't understand why anyone would pay to live right next to LIRR tracks. I shake my disbelief each Friday on my way to Fire Island.

23.

Well you can't expect anyone to say anything nice about anything or anyone. But jus to let you know, i believe Gallaghars is closer that the other two strip joints you mentioned. BTW Mike does your mother work at any of them? if so i'd like to take her to the champagne room and spend my closing fees on her. HoLLA!

24.

Regency,

Momma jokes?

Just the kind of juvenile comment I expect to hear from the asshats and losers who are forced to live in dumpy LIC.

Enjoy your craptacular "luxury" loft.

25.

You are getting hosed. First doors scratched, washer/drier dented, uneven tiles, etc. are all minor construction defects. If the Sponsor decides to fix them he is being nice, but read your contract. This stuff is all permissible and there isn’t a thing you can do about it if they don’t correct it except for walk away from your deposit. Painting these apartments by yourself is next to impossible considering that the ceilings are 14ft high, so you will have to hire someone to do it. Most new construction is painted. Sounds like they cheaped out here. How do you move in with no elevator? Hope you are not on a high floor…

26.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DISCUSSION FORUM NOT A CRAP-ALL-OVER-EACH-OTHER FIESTA.
MOST OF YOU ARE VERY IMMATURE. I AM TRULY DISGUSTED.

- Momma's in champagne lounges
-"DO yourself a favor jerk off"
-"Enjoy your craptacular "luxury" loft."

...etc

GO TO CANADA SMOKE A J AND ATTEND ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES.

27.

regency you could not afford my momma
you freaking loser
please enjoy the fumes from my car as i pass your
"luxury" building on the way to drop off my car for repairs next door to your shitbox

asshat -
lic will crash and burn harder and faster than williamsburgh

28.

LIC is doing just fine, thanks, and is far from crashing and burning.

29.

In response to #5. Eric, you should mention that you are a RE Agent and are renting units in the Arris Lofts. No credibility

30.

The punch list-closing conundrum is as old as NYC real estate itself. I guarantee your punch list items will still be on the list as your sign your life away at the closing. The sponsor knows they've got you in a bind and you have zero leverage. They know you won't walk away from your deposit, your mortgage fees, etc., just because the floors are installed poorly or some cabinets are scratched. That being said, there is a lot you can do to scare the bejesus out of them.
First thing: After the walk through write a detailed punch list and send it to the sponsor and their attorney asap by certified mail. Tell them a failure to fix the items will result in your filing a complaint with the state Attorney General's office for violations of the Martin Act.
In response, they may propose to come in a fix those items. If you choose that option, beware, they will likely bring in a shoddy ``contractor'' to do the work. Before that happens, you could propose they give you a credit for the work needed. Then you could hire someone to do the work.
Whatever you decide, remember, they have a legal obligation under NYS law to provide exactly what was in the condo offering. That's where the Martin Act comes in. If they don't do it, the AG could sue them on your behalf or on behalf of an entire group of you. That would take a long time and a lot of energy, but it may wake them up to the fact that you are serious.

31.

Aside from all of the jealousy out there for Arris and that curbed is simply trying to stir up the pot, how is any of this different from any other new construction in the city?

32.

RE: # 37.
How eloquently put.

33.

So AMOR, I take it that you unit in Arris is also in shambles or perhaps you are still waiting to close and this is all hitting a bit close to home. Does your unit face the LIRR train tracks, the municipal garage, or the QB bridge? I heard that the LIRRs unit are particularly bad as the contractors could not concentrate with the noise from the trains passing.

34.

#39 And just where do you live?

35.

Anonymous obviously lives in a rat infested crack house and is very cranky because he hasn't had his hit today. Why? ...he spent all his money on internet access at the local cafe so he can take out his anger at life on everybody else who has a real home.

...Anonymous you mange to bring out the worst in everybody, even a Canadian.

36.

I find this recent trail of blog funny. As I walked through Arris lofts, I noticed the tremendous amount of construction activity taking place in the building by one the largest preeminent contracting companies around. I was informed by my attorney, the property is expecting to get a majority of its TCO's in the coming week. Hence the amount of activity and debris!
I am moving from Chicago and this is my fourth new construction residence; I am an expert!
Every residence I have purchased since college was in a new residential property, every one was purchased at a lower per square foot value than the units sold after the property receives its TCO. For obvious reasons, the owner has taking into consideration you’re buying something you can’t see. Its all trust, my checklist is simple and has never failed me.......
Is the developer a reputable company..... yes.
Is the contractor a reputable company... yes.
Is the city signing off on the units..... yes.
Is the punch list complete by move-in date. I was told by two current occupants............ yes!
Damage? dings? chips? Reality is, moving in now while the contractor is on the premises gives you the opportunity to get the work done before they leave. I was told the contract will be present through the end of July. I am closing, giving in my list of work to be done, and I am sure that one of the 100 tradesmen on site will get it done. Their cost goes up tenfold if they have to come back.
Posted by: Matt S. Durall | June 20, 2007 7:45 PM

37.

Matt,

Agreed. Quality of the constuctors is a key factor. I do not know who is doing Arris but I have seen some of the boutique buildings in LIC with actual huge chunks of contcrete falling off of the balconies.

38.

43 you are talking about the Gantry building. Arris has totally different constructors.

39.

i was actually in my unit as the lirr passed by, and to be honest with you. You can see it, but not hear it! and that is the honest thruth. But i will give you an update once i'm living there for a couple of weeks.

40.

#40 $ 41, I live in Manhattan on the west side in a real luxury building overlooking the park - i.e. the place where deep in your heart you losers know you want to be. You will never admit it because it will make you feel silly to have spent your life savings to live in an industrial wasteland.

Sad part is that in LIC you are much closer to that rat infested crack house that you speak of than I am. Have you you walked 5 mins from Arris to the QB bridge area?

41.

#46 I live on the east side in a real diamond triple mint luxury building, triple mint, got that? the broker who sold it to me said that is the best.

42.

#46 still living at home in the rents basement. With hopes and dreams of one day gettin off that shitty couch and actually get a job and not live off moms social security.....# 46 aka LIC HATER!

43.

#46 - If you do live in a luxury building on the West side with park views, it's sad that you get your kicks by trashing people with less money than you.
Your money has clearly bought you no class.

44.

no one here has mentinoned that the city (still?) has plans to clean up the QB area. Its probably a good time to buy in the outer areas i.e. LIC, Washington Heights etc.

oh and everyone here are turds.

45.

If 46 actually lives in a "luxury" bldg on CPW, chances are that it is 600 sqft apartment with 8ft ceilings and no washer drier in his apartment and furnishes it with Ikea furniture.

He prolly saw Arris and was amazed at its spralling layouts, 15 foot ceilings etc.. but either couldn't afford it so spends his time dissing it at every chance he gets and trying to justify that he is winner because he lives on CPW.

lol - some of you haters are really clowns

46.

#50 and 51 is "prolly" a broker who is trying to unload the rest of these dumpy units, but since there no other suckers to sell them to, he has ton of free time to troll these boards.

47.

not really. I dance at cityscapes. city has told me when they demolish the cr%p business' in QB they'll put me as a street sweeper.

yea for progress!

48.

highly unlikely speakeasy, i'm sure those girls make more money than you. And perhaps know more about your pathedic life than you do. Since your husband spends all his vacation money with the dancers! So speak easy sally bowls.

49.

whatever.

50.

and 52 isn't "prolly" but is definitely a hater

Give up the jealousy for Arris brother. Are you so insecure that you think that making shit up about the place makes you a better person?

51.

56 agreed 52 is a loser

It's amazing how much envy there is for this building. People need to get a life.

52.

Anonymous #46 and Sally back to grammar school for both of you.

53.

Hey AMOR, meet me at the Sauna in Arris. I'll show you some real AMOR.

54.

#59 Baby I love it when you talk to me incognito. I noticed Sauna is spelled with a capitol, is that like a brand name or something...hmmm, I didn't think so...back to grammar school for you too, you idiot.

55.

#59 I give BJs in the garage next to Arris after dark. Meet me on the 3nd level. I'll be waiting in my maroon '87 Honda Accord. Maybe afterwards I'll invite you up and we can lay on my Ikea bed watch the the trains go by - if you are into that thing. Or perhaps I can open my window and we can get high off the fumes from the cars queuing up for the 59th street bridge.

56.

#61 - funny, yet another curbed poster commenting on something they no absolutely nothing about. no queue in front of arris for the qb bridge because you can't make a left onto the the upper level entrance, actually, never any traffic around arris entirely. trains in the back, dead end on one side, the least busy part of thompson ave in front. regardless of the trains, anyone above floor 2, unless standing at window and looking down, just sees beautiful open skies. honestly, can't even hear the trains unless your window is open, even then, it is muffled, better than trucks and cabbie horns, typical of anything in nyc. this building is so over the top, but difficult to duplicate, and yet so cheap relative to anything out there. time will tell, and you losers on curbed will be even redder with jealousy. rather buy something unique that appeals to unique tastes than cookie cutter anytime. at 600 sq ft, almost a no lose situation. how much do you think it cost to build out these apts per sq ft? rather lic than williamsburg, dumbo, on any other fringe area, why pay 800-1000 sq ft just for a few more restaurants and serivces? lic has better transportation, great views, and unbelievable plans for the future. curbed won't even have an arris topic this time next year because they will have to eat their words...enjoy.

57.

The jealously for a building that people have no vested interest in is amazing. Truely amazing.

58.

I LOVE ARRIS, LIKE A FAT KID LOVES CAKE.

59.

in response to number 29, yes i am a realtor, i do have rentals in the building, but i also purchased a unit there myself and will be moving in this fall. So that should have some credibility. And in response to everyone who has complaints, every single development always has some issues, i remember when all the craze was at Trump Place, there were alot of issues from everything from the floors to bathrooms, but they all got resolved and everyone is happy there.

You have to understand that with a project with this magnitude, 130 different floorplans, a conversion, in a triangular building, adding floors, gutting it out. Thats alot of work...

60.

I like how Trump Place is considered some sort of high standard. Trump "builds" crappy places with really tacky features and then sells 'em to idiots from abroad who don't know better. I say "build" because someone else builds it and pays him a share for the name.

Trump claimed to own Trump place then sued when other people sold it (and lost). Clearly it wasn't his...

61.

Not surprised a Arris thread gets the most comments in the week.

Jake

62.

Geez. What a bunch of immature dimwits we have commenting on this thread. Is there a moderator out there who can ban these mouthbreathing retards from this board?

63.

Eric - hate to break it to you but realtor = zero credibity. the fact that you think living in the building makes you more credible is an example of what is wrong with your profession. the reason why your opinion does not count is because you have a vested interest in presenting as rosy a picture as possible so that you can rent and get paid. Am I missing something?

also not every development has issues. I've closed on a two new construction buildings and there was never anything close to what is being described here. My punch list items were you missed a spot painting (yes they actually painted) not broken windows and mislaid tiles.

64.

Noone on this thread has moved into Arris yet, but everyone sure writes about as if they've been living here for ages. Posting about Arris at late in the evening shows how much people love this building......

65.

I heard the taxi station near Arris has just been sold and there's gonna be a White Castle there now, which is nice. At least there's some more restaurants coming into the area. Am really looking forward to moving in..

66.

all this negativity -- for Queens, Arris seems very nice.

67.

i think TCO's are probably the worse thing you can hope for. Your unit can have a TCO for years and during that time you CAN NOT REFINANCE or sell your unit if you wish to.

I'm not sure if all of this is just bad smoke, but the smell of things I wouldn't buy into this development unit the final certificate of occupancy is issued.

68.

#67 I suppose you have no issue though with buying in a building that doesn't even yet have a TCO, which is all new construction

The jealousy for Arris is simply amazing. People get a life.

69.

Eric how much were you paid to make that statement? Or was your unit discounted 6% off the jump for being a broker??

70.

Here is what to expect: An over-priced condo that does not meet the hype! Bring a tissue, you will need it.

71.

#68
I would buy-- but I would also make sure the contract states that I won’t close until at least 50% of the building is closed and/or the final CO is issued. I don't think that's a lot to ask for. I don't want to live in a new construction building so bad that I would live in a construction zone for 6 months to a year.

I just don't like to be lied to and taken advantage of when it comes to buying a home and spending my hard earned money. I think I'm just from a different school then you.

72.

Just read that someone closed at Arris, NO maintenance payment until common areas are complete and taxes for his unit were under 700 for the year. Do any of you really know what you talking about? Why not ask the people moving in. Unless your living there, really why do you care so much? Living so large you feel you have to post here yawn...

73.

One word: J condo

74.

#72

If that's true I guess this is the part where they start using lubricants to take the pain away of the last 5 months of ass raping you clowns to death.

75.

73 ... sucks

76.

71 Sounds like you wouldn't buy in any new development then because no one would sell to you on those terms, particularly in LIC when buildings like Arris are 85% or better sold out before any units close.

Having said all this, the problems alluded to are typical with any new construction, the developer is addressing the issue, and has also made ammends in common charges.

It is unbelievable the amount of jealousy for this building. Grow up people. There is no need to be insecure because you don't live at Arris.

77.

#73 J condo....HA crickets.....crickets.....

78.

Arris = money pit

79.

78 = a sucker who bought in J-Condo

80.

I went through there yesterday, and I'm sure it will be fine when it's all done, however here are a few points that haven't been mentioned.

1)Is there any way to get the cleanup info since Arris was a former major industrial site? When I asked the sales person had no information.

2)Didn't I hear recently that the city is talking about selling the air rights over the Sunnyside Yards? Uh-oh there go the quaint train yard views!

3)No one has commented that Arris is basically being sold/marketed as a gated community. Obviously at "83% sold" many see that as an advantage, but I don't, 300k "artist studios" aside.

4)There is no such thing as a civic minded developers. The Arris literature lists all the usual "funky" LIC amenities, but living in a luxury bubble will contribute little or nothing to the mix. I guess it's naive to ask a developer to put up decently constructed 1,2,3 bedroom condos WITHOUT the weight room, pool and valet parking? Maximizing profit is obviously always the objective.

81.

Just closed on a unit in Arris on Friday. Believe the hype. It's beautiful, and the maintenance is being waived for July and possibly August.

82.

Are you still going to post as Anonymous now that you moved in. Have some pride and stop posting as Anonymous you schill. I have never seen so much cheerleading from one individual.